Quebec to impose 'significant' financial penalty against people who refuse to get vaccinated
Quebec Premier François Legault announced the province will apply a 'significant' financial penalty for residents who refuse to get vaccinated against COVID-19 for non-medical reasons.
“If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class"
It’s been 2 years and they literally haven’t done anything to help the healthcare system.
Je suis pro-vaxx, fully vaxx, pis fuck que c'est niaiseux ca. Tous ce qu'ils font avec ca c'est de déplacer le blâme qui devrait etre mis sur les 30 ans de coupure budgétaire et sur eux meme (les politiciens) sur un petit pourcentage de population instead
Oui tous le monde devrait se faire vacciner mais c'est pas juste ca qui rempli nos hopitaux. La vrai solution ce serait d'encourager plus de personnes a faire des études en médecine/infirmière, etc. et d'arrête de couper dans notre système publique. Ca pas d'allure que une crise du genre déborde tout au point ou le système fonctionne plus, ca aussi pas d'allure qu'on perd autant de personnel a cause de burn out dut au management de marde de la crise de la part du gouvernmenet.
Legault a deja ete ministre de la santé, y'a activement participé a la création de tous ces problèmes.
On manque de lit, on manque de matériel, on manque de personnel, on engage des hopitaux privés pour combler des besoin publique, esti de caliss a 90% de première dose sur la population admissible lâchez moi avec les non-vaxx pis régler les vrai problemes.
I'm a vaxxed person who thinks everyone should get vaxxed, and this is still fucked.
Fix the healthcare system.
Wow, he actually went there. Good, make the facebook scientists pay for their research.
so... is this money going back into the healthcare system? to pay our doctors and nurses better wages? to increase funding to mental health insitutions? or is it going straight into Legault's pockets?
Just make it mandatory already. It's what you want.
Stop with this "I'm going to count to 3... 1... 2... 2 and 1/1000...." BS.
Stop punishing us because we all know this is what it will get to. "C'est pas notre society de forcer le monde"? or whatever he said exactly...
Fix the Healthcare system. Even if we were 101% vaccinated, he'll still blame the people for the situation. The potholes are our faults too.
What a donkey. No wonder Aruda resigned.
What a moron
Clearly the problem is our health care system was crap before the pandemic, and we are paying for that now.
Stop focusing so much on shoving the vaccine down our throats and causing turmoil with the people and do something about the fact we have 2.5 beds per 1000 Canadians today and in 1980 we had 6.8/1000 Canadians.
It's a joke, I'm vaccinated, we have 80% vaccine rate....common now
Our healthcare system was already declining pre covid. This pandemic just pushed the process forward exponentially. It’s been two years and I haven’t heard them admit that our healthcare system is practically a joke in this province.
"About half of the hospitalizations are known as secondary cases, which refers to a case when someone is admitted to hospital for a reason other than COVID-19 and then tests positive for the coronavirus, versus when someone is admitted to hospital for the virus."
idk about all this. i am fully vaccinated myself. but i’m not sure we should be literally forcing vaccines on people.
i would also have different opinions if the province had done anything to boost our healthcare system. this just seems like imposing more “restrictions”(for lack of better term) simply because they dropped the ball
“La province, c’est moi.”
- Francois XVI, Roi Soleil du Québec
I want this pandemic over as much as the next person, but the road you take to get there very much matters. This country is sacrificing its dignity because these incompetent officials would rather play the blame game instead of putting in the actual hard work that's required to get through difficult times. Shame on Quebec and shame on the Canadian media for saying "The vast majority of Canadians approve of this" I am beyond disgusted.
I'm pro-vaccine but the government should not get to fine you or coerce you based on what you're willing to put in your body.
Furthermore, this is not how socialized medicine is supposed to work. Saying "X group is a bigger burden on the system, therefore they should be paying more" is anathema to the idea of socialized healthcare. Some of you may say "well not getting the vaccine is a choice", but let me ask: where does it end? Should we charge smokers more for basic healthcare because they're a bigger burden? What about obese people?
Think about what kind of society you want to live in.
C'est rendu tellement absurde, on se croirait dans une pièce de Ionesco.
Shot or no shot everyone needs to realize they are on a downward spiral and should be starting to stand up before it’s too late.
No one in Canada is willing to stand up for their rights anymore. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
As a fully vaccinated citizen, I find the SAQ SQDC penalties already going too far. This is a fucking step into a really bad direction.
New game: Take a shot every time someone makes a false equivalency. "What about the FaTtIeS? SmOkErS? DrInKeRs?'
Edit: I don't even support this new measure. It's dangerous and opens up a slippery slope as to which arbitrary health behaviours should be taxed in the future, further marginalizing people. But only one of these things is contagious and creates potential for the development of new variants given higher viral loads in the unvaccinated. That being said, not everyone who is unvaccinated is the caricature of an "anti-vaxxer", we have to include nuance as part of these conversations. And it seems as if the Legault government continues to promote very punitive measures when a lot of the blame for the situation we find ourselves in can be placed directly on them.
Maybe this will be enough to make people say enough is enough
Can we all not see where this is going?
Man! Bien que je suis pour la vaccination, ce genre de plan ne fera que accentuer la polarisation du peuple et y a rien de bon la dedans.
Legault has now hit an all time low. He has crossed the line. Just not right to divide the masses any more than they already are. He needs to go!
Jokes on you I have no income!
disclaimer: omg why does everyone online require people to write “i’m double vaxxed” every post! It’s a joke!
Why doesn’t he just charge those that end up in the hospital? Why charge all unvaccinated? I don’t think it’s fair, because even if you’re vaccinated you can get covid and end up in the hospital.
Let me start of by saying i'm vaxxed before the hate train comes in... But I have friends in their 20s, in good health, who had covid and never had the need to go to the hospital... So they will get imposed a tax for health care when they dont even require the service?
We already know who are really at risked from COVID, its the elderly, people who are overweight, or people who have pre-existing conditions such as asthma...
My point is, why should people in perfect health who are not at risk be made to pay extra money.... It simply doesnt make any sense.
Fix the healthcare system which has been lacking funds for the past 20 years... The gov is just trying to find someone to blame for their poor management of taxpayer money over the past decades and I can't believe people are agreeing with these methods.
Ie : vaccines are mandatory for the poor and optional for the upper class
Remember when some people talked about a slippery slope when the first restrictions arrived? We laughed at them. Well now people will have to pay for refusing to put something in their bodies. What's next? Because there really seems to be no limits to this administration.
Ni Hao friends. A not so distant future headline. Quebec debuts hotline where residents can rat out for reward vax offenders. Also, hiding/sheltering unvacinated people becomes a criminal offence in Quebec ;) Ça va bien aller!
Wow the rich still don’t need to be vaccinated. Hourra to them /s
so let me get this straight. government doesnt like what free citizens choose so they ticket them. what a painful and slow death of democray.
While this is hilarious, and I'm all for punishing the anti-vaxxers, this is a really bad precedent to set. I'd much rather we use our vaccine passports more often and make them mandatory everywhere other than grocery stores and pharmacies.
It seems to me this would offend Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."
So, I suspect, Legault will have to invoke Section 33 (1) "Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter."
And, I suspect, our self-identified Champion of the Charter, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, will stand idly by and let it happen, when, he could, use the federal government's disallowance powers to defend Quebecers' rights.
But, of course, Trudeau never defends or enhances rights unless forced to by a court.
Are we about to treat unvaccinated citizens as social outcasts ?
Maybe soon we're going to have Vax Squads and scoop up the unvaxxed
I’m fully vaccinated and this is fucked. I don’t care what anyone says, the vaccine isn’t 100% and as a result, you shouldn’t be forcing people to take it.
If there’s even a 0.00000000001% chance the vaccine kills you (which there is), you should have the right to refuse it
radical measures to make it look like they are doing something. I'm all for restricting services to the unvaxxed but fines only hurt the poor.
The pandemic has truly revealed how much of shithole this province is. I am glad that I fucked off to Ontario. And before anyone asks, yes, I am vaxxed.
Who else is worried that legault will make it mandatory to vote in his goodbye election one must have three vaccines?
Thank god he found a way to build the stadium. Uhhh I mean of course the money will go to health systems. ⚾️
Data suggests underlying cause (obesity and other health issues) are the reasons people get sicker than others.
Why not tax obese people at this point ? It's a choice too.
(and no, I don't support this anymore than what is actually suggested)
Hahaha this government is so stupid. This pandemic truly exposed the incompetence and lack of foresight from this government. I can't wait to see the backlash from this decision.
If they don't backtrack, they are fucking idiots. If they do, they are fucking idiots. Hopeless case... guess it's time to get the hell out of this province honestly.
At this point this point are politicians are more responsible for this pandemic than even anti vaxxers. They never closed our borders fast enough, and were additionally too lax with lockdown restrictions from the jump. Seems unfair that they continue to get to punish others but they themselves suffer no repercussions for their incompetence.
As a fully vaxxed person, I have to say this is seriously outrageous. I see Quebec more and more on the news with its racist and fascist announcements. First its bill 21 now its this crap.. how you québécois living with dictator? When is election time so you can kick him out?
I don’t understand how anyone agrees to this. For me it sounds super scary, it is actually scarier than covid. I can bet that in the future we will regret not stopping the madness while we could. Just because this time you’re on the “good side”, it doesn’t mean that the next time won’t affect you. It’s amazing how easy it is to control the population, even when it makes no sense. We truly never learn from history.
Well, this is messed right the fuck up. I say this as a vaccinated proponent of vaccinations. Forcing a medical procedure on joe public is a huge violation to one's personal medical rights.
Will forced vaccinations be as effective as other measures? You can be vaxxed to the tits and be more likely to acquire Covid if you continually engage in riskier social behavior than an unvaccinated person.
If you're fining the unvaccinated, should we also fine the obese, who are more at risk for respiratory illnesses than others, given the risk they present to hospital bed space? Heck, the obese disproportionately cost the health care system much more than non-obese individuals anyway.
Good grief, fine everybody! Quebeckers already cant leave their homes at night, are not allowed to eat in restaurants, cant go to the gym, and cant grocery shop on Sundays now either. Might as well fine away too.
This is going to boost the fake vaccine passport industry especially if the tax/fine/whatever is more than the $1500 or whatever it costs to get a fake passport
You guys don’t need to specify that your double/ triple vaxxed before stating an opinion. The opinion in valid if your vaxxed or not, and it shouldn’t change the truth of your opinion whatsoever. So at this point just stop.
I think cancer patients should also be penalised. We require so much more care than the average person and we are a huge burden on the healthcare system; especially those with preventable cancers. It's time for cancer patients to do their part for the greater good!
Edit: Quebec to begin profiting off of citizens who choose to not vaccinate
Go look who is on the board of directors
I'm actually just completely disgusted with this country, it's politicians and the people who live here.
I’m unvaccinated, and I will never be taking a Covid-19 vaccine—nor will I ever give the government a fucking dime for my decision to do so. Belittle me all you want; what’s going on right now is absolutely fucking depraved, and the fact that so many of you are completely oblivious to it makes me incredibly pessimistic in my outlook on the future of humanity.
I’m double vaccinated and this !, thus is fucked we must all joint the force to infiltrate his cabinet from the inside
I don’t think it’s wise to provide your vaccine status on your tax return
Funny how bodily autonomy is only a fundamental RIGHT when the IDEA of public safety isn't threatened. I am fully vaccinated, and I think everybody should be. Yet I don't think that need supersedes basic, universal human rights. If you want to create an incentive, go after people's privileges but leave their rights alone.
Obviously, you don't even want to get me started on the curfew.
What if they’re unvaxxed but never end up in the hospital? What do we do in this case? Are they still using up resources?
What a joke. I’m fully vaccinated and received my booster last week and this is insane. It’s a step in the complete wrong direction and completely disregarding the citizens of Quebec. Legault and hus entire party need to be voted out in fall. Tabarnak de colis.
They could do the opposite instead and offer a tax break or some sort of gift to people who are already vaxxed instead of punishing non-vaxxed people with a fine (of which we have no idea where that money will go if this actually happens). Aren't there studies that demonstrated that rewards are better incentives than punishments when it comes to trying to get someone to do a task?
Totalitarian government. Welcome to the new Canada. Trumps better than these nut jobs.
When exactly did ‘the majority of the population is asking that there be a consequence’?, this guy pretend to be acting on the demand of the population, which is false. Trudeau made allusion to the same false sentiment last week. First of all half of the people being hospitalized are vaccinated, why should the unvaccinated pay for that? Who is going to pay for these hospitalisations because the vaccine does not completely or fully work against omicron or the next variant?
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