Turnstile jumping linked to rising subway crime, experts say

Nearly all people committing crimes in the New York City subway system did not pay their fare, said MTA board member Andrew Albert.

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-SkarchieBonkers-
-SkarchieBonkers-
658 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Crime Is Linked To Crime, Experts Had To Be Brought In To Determine

Yankees567336
Yankees567336
538 · 8 months ago · Reddit

“99.99% of people that are committing crimes in the subways did not pay their fare. If we can stop that at the turnstiles, we've not only helped the MTA bottom line, but we've stopped crime in its tracks.”

Broken windows policing seems to be grounded by data.

mowotlarx
mowotlarx
487 · 8 months ago · Reddit

I don't like people who jump turnstiles either, but I have to laugh at the MTA trying to convince New Yorkers that if we only crack down on theft of $2.75, all of our problems will be solved. Definitely don't look at their decades of mismanagement, grift, bad investments, etc. etc. I remember when Train Daddy left the new interim MTA head let it slip that the MTA didn't even have an org chart...as in they had no idea who was working there and who worked for who. Anyway, sure, yes, petty theft bad too.

Also, the "experts" quoted here was a single MTA board member with no citations given for the statement. Not exactly in depth investigative journalism.

Threepointedsquare32
Threepointedsquare32
153 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Weird, criminals getting away with breaking the law leads to more crime. I'm shocked /s

DayManMasterofNight
DayManMasterofNight
113 · 8 months ago · Reddit

It's like the slow devolution of rule following (people paying taxes, following driving laws) and the disinvestment in social goods is increasing crime...what a shocking revelation.

kapnkool
kapnkool
109 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Eric Adams thinks that's just your perception, not the reality.

pizza_nightmare
pizza_nightmare
49 · 8 months ago · Reddit

We should have consistently operating station agents at most locales

isaac-get-the-golem
isaac-get-the-golem
47 · 8 months ago · Reddit

lmao the one “expert” is an MTA board member. that’s it. no research or evidence

Waste-Abrocoma3264
Waste-Abrocoma3264
47 · 8 months ago · Reddit

It so upsetting when I pay my fare (was ticketed as a teen… so never again) and loads of ppl just hop over or go through the emergency gate and the person sitting in the booth is just ignoring the whole thing! I pay my fare and then have to deal with late overcrowded and ultimately unsafe trains !

mastermind_loco
mastermind_loco
38 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Shocking revelation: the people who are impoverished and cannot afford to pay $6/​day in subway fares, often overlap with people who commit crimes and have mental health issues.

Instead of criminalizing the poor, we should be addressing these problems at the root by reducing poverty. Public transportation should be free. It should not be on New Yorkers to foot the bill for the government's mismanagement of the subway system.

chargeorge
chargeorge
20 · 8 months ago · Reddit

The same people who pushed turnstyle jumpers with a straight face to fix budget woes trying to push the same bullshit

shinbreaker
shinbreaker
16 · 8 months ago · Reddit

So question: Why the turnstile? You can't hop over the whatever spinning case thingy. Sure you'd have one or two fewer turnstiles at the big stops if you switched them all, but at the smaller stops you'd still have the same number.

And yeah there's a whole cost to it but if this is a big enough deal, this would cut down on people hopping than say putting cops at each station, which they wouldn't do anyways.

bcorliss9
bcorliss9
15 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Everyone quickly forgets the MTA workers making hundreds of thousands in overtime—but the turnstile jumpers…

HeftyBarber1423
HeftyBarber1423
15 · 8 months ago · Reddit

I propose that metro cards should be swiped at the beginning and end of a subway ride. There should be an acceptable amount of elapsed time between your origin and destination. If you swipe your card outside of that expected time frame when you leave the station, you don’t get charged.

Edit: this is how it’s done in Washington DC where you are charged based on how far you travel. But apply the reverse logic to this and riders don’t get ripped off from bs delays or “signal problems”

AlexiosI
AlexiosI
14 · 8 months ago · Reddit

This thread is a perfect example of how stupid public policies turn into paralysis for enforcing the law. Obviously if you stop prosecuting low level crimes like farebeating it sets up an atmosphere of permissiveness that leads to more crime. This is simple human nature. Something half of you seem to have forgotten after you became fully integrated components of your computers.

Dont_mute_me_bro
Dont_mute_me_bro
13 · 8 months ago · Reddit

I'm not going to get into it over Adams, or whether or not turnstile jumping is illegal or criminal. In 3rd grade, ethics was put to me thus: "What if everybody did that"? If the answer is unpleasant, one shouldn't do it. No moralizing or anything. Just common sense and fair play.

"What if everybody urinated on the platforms?

What if everybody across 5 seats?

What if everybody jumped turnstiles?

franknukem105
franknukem105
9 · 8 months ago · Reddit

The real crime is charging me 2.75 to get on a stanky train that’s gonna be packed, late and that bullshit excuse of train traffic.

CrackLaden
CrackLaden
7 · 8 months ago · Reddit

The link is presumably in the psychology. It's the same reason insurance companies charge more for men who drive red cars. Red cars are, of course, not any more of a risk than any other color, but a man who drives a red car is associated with all sorts of personality characteristics which make him more of a risk in the eyes of the insurance company.

The fare evasion thing is, to me, the type of useful piece of information we'd actively use in a politically neutral environment. [Checks earpiece] I'm being told we don't live in one of those environments.

BxGyrl416
BxGyrl416
7 · 8 months ago · Reddit

This is Fox News. Of course they’re support broken window crime theory.

I_B_Bobby_Boulders
I_B_Bobby_Boulders
6 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Ahh broken windows. Proven time and time again to be an effective means to control crime and quality of life. But many in this city and sub live in an alternate universe where everyone is good and the system makes them this way.

goose_down2w
goose_down2w
5 · 8 months ago · Reddit

The point is not the turnstyle jumping itself. Its that the decline if policing small crimes slowly leads to the perception of lawlessness.

Jimmy_kong253
Jimmy_kong253
5 · 8 months ago · Reddit

Of course they want to paint it as a bunch of poor people who can't afford the fare trying to get to work. But in reality most of these people doing the fare jumping have money on them