Eric Adams ‘very concerned’ about SCOTUS ruling that could lift NY open carry ban

Mayor Eric Adams is “very concerned” about the possible reversal of a state ban prohibiting New Yorkers from openly carrying loaded firearms on city streets.

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DDSloan96
DDSloan96
253 · 7 days ago · Reddit

This is not what the suit is about at all, the suit is attacking NY's "may issue" stature regarding CCW permits. If the case ends up overrulling NY it just means qualified and vetted people can concealed carry handguns without a "legitmate reason" to which right now basically allows the rich to carry while witholding that right from others. This doesnt mean every joe shmo can get a handgun....

treesareweirdos
treesareweirdos
91 · 7 days ago · Reddit

Open carry would be an unmitigated disaster in a city as dense as NYC. How many accidental “he was going for my gun” situations would happen on crowded subways? Just today I was literally standing shoulder to shoulder with a guy on the subway. My hand was three inches from his belt loop, where he would be holding his gun.

For the gun people out there, there has to be some gun safety rule advising people not to open carry guns in a crowded indoor space where literally anyone could bump into or grab your gun, right?

Spin_Me
Spin_Me
65 · 6 days ago · Reddit

I'm pro-Second Amendment, but I worry about conceal carry in NYC.

What's your plan when someone brandishes a gun in self-defense while you are stuck in a subway car?

What's your plan when you are walking through the crowded Union Square greenmarket on Saturday and a routine argument turns into an armed struggle?

New Yorkers are already assertive - you have to be in order to live here. Do you really want a City full of alphas to pack heat?

lemming-leader12
lemming-leader12
41 · 7 days ago · Reddit

I just moved here from Philadelphia, a city that is very similar but inside a state run by right wing conservatives. The murder rate is worst than the 90s being 500+ homicides a year for the last few years after having been at a record low in the 2010s. More guns in NYC can tick up the crime exponentially and I wouldn't say it's outside the realm of possibility to get back to 2,000 murders a year again in this city after having seen extreme violence in my previous home tick up past its own 90s peak. Personally, I witness three bloody shootings in my reputationally very expensive neighborhood and was interviewed by the news about it, people get shot and killed in front of fancy restaurants and city hall. It can happen here. People simply would not be killing at such a frequency weren't it incredibly easy to do so.

thebatman924
thebatman924
22 · 7 days ago · Reddit

With the current Supreme Court, might as well assume gun laws will change in a few months, makes it easier to get pistol permit , right now it’s easier to join the NYPD than get a carry license

Showerthawts
Showerthawts
20 · 6 days ago · Reddit

I look forward to having the same privilege -that's actually a right - that all the rich and famous living here have.

fafalone
fafalone
15 · 6 days ago · Reddit

If Eric Adams can walk around with a gun it's really hard to argue against letting any other law abiding citizen do it.

Big_Game_Huntr
Big_Game_Huntr
14 · 7 days ago · Reddit

Very concerned ? Of what? that a model citizen with no criminal record, that has all the proper credentials to purchase and carry a weapon, might carry a weapon? It’s the illegal guns purchased illegally and Carried illegally and used illegally that he should be concerned with

Abtorias
Abtorias
14 · 7 days ago · Reddit

Wait, so will gun laws be relaxed so law abiding citizens can own one? Someone ELI5 please.

LonelyIthaca
LonelyIthaca
9 · 6 days ago · Reddit

Posts in here are kind of silly, acting as if its going to be a free-for-all wild west shootout every day. The fact is that carry permit holders are extraordinarily law-abiding, and the data backs that up.

Here are some stats from Florida:

"Of the roughly 5.3 million Floridians issued carry permits since 1987, only about 18k had them revoked. That means about 99.7% of Floridians who have gotten a carry permit never committed any crimes that would cause them to lose their permits. Those with carry permits are extraordinarily law-abiding"

https://www.reddit.com/​r/gunpolitics/​comments/​ujvl6d/​of_the_roughly_53_million_floridians_issued_carry/

NY and NYC's restrictions on who can and cannot get a carry permit are outrageous. NYC pistol dept has been a haeven of corruption where only the rich get them for bribes. Additionally, the Sullivan law (where we get our permit scheme from) is rooted in racism:

https://www.ammoland.com/​2016/​07/​nyc-gun-permit-corruption-no-surprise/

SakanaToDoubutsu
SakanaToDoubutsu
9 · 7 days ago · Reddit

Let's just hope that SCOTUS will be precise in what the definition of a "sensitive place" is and won't leave it vague, giving the city an avenue to try and circumvent the decision. Also hoping SCOTUS will take up Bianchi v Frosh and strike down that bit of legislation as well.

Mustard_on_tap
Mustard_on_tap
8 · 7 days ago · Reddit

Warming up the popcorn for the inevitable freak out when the court strikes down NYs restrictive may issue laws.

For more info than my glib statement, see this well-done Cornell Law School post on Bruen.

Summary:

This case asks the Supreme Court to determine whether New York’s discretionary gun permit law, which requires an applicant demonstrate “proper cause” to carry a weapon for self-defense purposes, violates the Second Amendment. Robert Nash and Brandon Koch applied for a general concealed carry permit under New York law, but their applications were denied by Richard McNally for lack of proper cause. New York State Rifle & Pistol Association (“NYSRPA”) contends that at least one of its members would be eligible for a concealed carry permit but for New York’s proper cause requirement. Petitioners Nash, Koch, and NYSRPA brought a Section 1983 claim challenging the law, arguing that it violates their Second Amendment right to bear arms. Respondents McNally and Kevin Bruen—the superintendent of the New York State Police—counter that the law is a valid exercise of New York’s regulatory power. This case has important implications for the future of gun ownership and regulation, public safety, and racial discrimination.

At the end, see also the discussion on discrimination and gun permitting laws. For example:

NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund (“NAACP”), in support of Bruen, counters that discretionary concealed carry laws are necessary to protect minority communities against discriminatory hate crimes. Citing to high-profile cases such as the murders of Trayvon Martin and Markeis McGlockton, NAACP argues that concealed carry often leads to anti-Black hate crimes, and therefore discretionary permitting laws are necessary to prevent such tragedies from reoccurring.

Furthermore, I'd say if you support Roe as a constitutional right, you have to also support Bruen, which rests on an explicit, enumerated right (the 2nd Amendment vs an implied right to privacy in Roe).

NYC and NY state are not ready for this decision. The Second Amendment indicates its position on a list, not its status.

Also, r/​NYguns.

Fast-Hold-649
Fast-Hold-649
6 · 6 days ago · Reddit

if ppl start legally strapping up in the city your gonna see all the mutants start actin right again

Lancashire_Toreador
Lancashire_Toreador
5 · 6 days ago · Reddit

Honestly, given his record so far anything Eric Adams is "very concerned" about is grounds for adopting it right away.

chi-93
chi-93
5 · 7 days ago · Reddit

They will. So why are you only just now getting concerned?? What’s your plan to address this that won’t get struck down by SCOTUS in the future?? The suggestions in the article sound woefully inefficient to me. Or do I need to start carrying a gun on the Subway too??