SF man who sprayed woman in video says he'd do it again
On Monday morning, a viral video began circulating of a man in San Francisco hosing down a woman sitting on the ground in front of Barbarossa Lounge on Montgomery Street. But the man with the hose, Collier Gwin, told SFGATE he'd do it again. Gwin...
25 police calls to get her to move. Eight other times police came due to her actions. Calls for her blocking the entrance to businesses.
So you’re forced in to never ending tolerance because police won’t physically do anything?
All around this is just disappointing. The article states that the SF street crisis response provided multiple options that she seemingly refused? How is it humane to let someone like this just remain living on the street.
Obviously spraying someone with a hose is not the right thing to do, but if you were the business owner and your business was constantly disrupted by an unhoused person who refused to leave and the city did nothing, what would you do?
Was the guy right to spray her? Probably not. On the other hand sounds like he was getting desperate and the people who should really be receiving all the hate are sfpd and homeless services. People need to get off their high horse and imagine someone like that camping in front of your house and yelling profanities at you, and government agencies giving zero shits. I guarantee you way more people can be pushed to do something like this than you think if you feel helpless enough
More details about the incident coming out...Police, Homeless Services, etc. were all called for several weeks to remove the lady. She refused. She chose to continue to harass hard working people and their business. She refused to move when they're trying to cleanup her mess. If she refuses help, if she refuses to move after repeated attempts, well, then she will get wet.
What is a polite-human-right-way of kicking a homeless person out your porch?
Oh the double standards… when there’s talk about forcefully putting homeless people with addictions/mental health issues into treatment that interferes with their freedom, but when they chose to camp in front of the business and not let anyone clean up after them, then I guess you should just let them be, cause they are sick and it’s not their fault
No one is answering the critical question: what should the business owner do? He has already called the police multiple times. He has already called homeless services multiple times. If you say he shouldn't spray her, what do you recommend him doing? Just put up with her?
Shit like this will become more common. People are fed up with these drug addicts
Love the people comparing police spraying children with a fucking fire hose in the 60’s to a man using a small garden hose to spray a person who has been making his life miserable for weeks. Get a fucking grip people. They are not remotely similar.
If all attempts to move the homeless person has failed, and you need to cleanup the sidewalk, what are you going to do? Try to clean it (and get the homeless person wet) or let the sidewalk/your business just decay with filth?
They should have involuntarily committed her years ago, she is a public health hazard to herself and others. Anyone who smells that bad of shit and urine is obviously mentally ill and its a crime that the city let it get to that point. Bring back the asylums.
Good enough is enough. The homeless have taken over this city and get away with damn near murder.
Fuck this homeless lady. I don’t blame this guy for resorting to spraying her with a hose
We spend more than half a BILLION dollars a year on the homeless in SF. As taxpayers. As individual citizens what more should we do? Anyone complaining about this business owner’s actions is probably justified. But please let us know what actions you would have taken if you were in this person’s place?
Yea this is not right but at least he didn’t shoot her! What would, could you do? Call the police??? They are useless unless someone is already dead and they are forced to investigate.
I am a decent guy who does the right things and care for people deeply. But If I had to deal with this shit day in and out I will probably do the same as him. I mean what else can you do?? The city is not going to do anything so it’s up to you!!!!
We, the citizens of SF, already spent hundreds of millions of dollars on homeless issues and it hasn’t gotten better!!! There is a breaking point and we may be near as small businesses and the middle class keeps on getting pinched. The looming recession will not help this matter and it will only make things worse. I am just waiting for the day when someone set fire to some poor homeless guy because the city hadn’t done shit other than to shuffle the zombies around!
Sorry for the rant. Daily Muni rider here who spends too much time In lots of shit part of this beautiful city. But there is no political will among the corrupt politicians to do much about this because too many toes will get stepped on.
This backlash is so fucking counter-productive.
Police literally do nothing, so are we supposed to let drug addicts run roughshod over our homes and businesses?
Dozens of times, I've had piles of human shit and abandoned garbage blocking the only front entrance to my local business in the morning. The person(s) who left it all there were at least nice enough to let *me* clean it up when it was time to open.
Anyone who thinks spraying down someone who's belligerently blocking the sidewalk is "inhumane" doesn't understand what local businesses have to deal with on a daily bases.
Context from Nov. 22 NY Times article: Bay Area art galleries are struggling. Gagosian & Pace galleries left last year. San Francisco Art Institute closed after 150 years. Anyone working in the art market in SF must be under a lot of stress.
“At a time when homelessness, rising housing costs and the coronavirus pandemic have challenged San Francisco’s economy and hammered its image, this city’s arts community is suffering. Some of the biggest names in the art market, who thought that the tech boom would create a new class of collectors, are leaving. And the region is increasingly being overshadowed by the vibrant scene in Los Angeles, which is teeming with artists, galleries, new museums and enthusiastic collectors.”
“This city’s struggles have drawn national attention, putting a spotlight on scenes of homeless encampments and drug use in some of its best-known neighborhoods.”
What's happening under the SF chronicle's post on IG is just crazy. Love how media can show this situation in a way that "a privileged white man assaulted & harassed a poor homeless that did nothing wrong".
all the people crying foul about this must not know how much vigilante shit goes down in the city lol. I know people who have straight up fire bombed tents to get them out of their neighborhood so I don't see the big deal with a little water.
Dude fucked up by getting caught on camera. You gotta mask up nowadays.
I’ve been harassed by one too many homeless mother fuckers to give a fuck
Homeless come at my and try to grab my vagina and sexually harass me
Police here are ineffectual, this going to come to a tipping point for all of us
"Staying dry is the most important thing people have to do to avoid hypothermia when they are living outside on the streets so this attack is beyond being anti homeless and is a direct attack on this woman’s life. Violent acts committed by housed folks against our unhoused neighbors needs to stop and we hope that this woman who was attacked is able to get respite and justice in addition to a true exit from homelessness."
Oh come on. Even if you agree, as I do, that spraying her was a shitty thing to do, this kind of charged hyperbole is so totally unhelpful.
The Bay Area has double the GDP of Finland. Can we just do this? https://oecdecoscope.blog/2021/12/13/finlands-zero-homeless-strategy-lessons-from-a-success-story/comment-page-1/
This is really a story about how the incompetence of the city forced a business owner to become a vigilante against someone who is clearly unwell. More vigilantism will keep happening too until the city gets its shit together. People are sick of this.
We need to empower people to take things in their own hands if our local government cannot/will not do anything about these people.
I'm fucking livid seeing the unbased comments in other threads about this clip. My grandmother has lived on Shotwell in a house she fucking rebuilt by hand , since the 70s. She's pushing 90 and has to hose off human feces from her front steps and carry pepper spray to take garbage out.
What is the "humane" alternative at this point? Keyboard warriors saying you can't defend your business or personal property any longer is surely not solving anything.
Classic case of being mentally “gravely disabled”. She needs to be put on a 5150 and placed in involuntary treatment. The police can do that, as well as any of the social workers who come to “help” her. It’s a crime that it’s not done.
….”Existing law, for the purposes of involuntary commitment and conservatorship, defines “gravely disabled,” among other things, as a condition in which a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is unable to provide for the basic personal needs of food, clothing, or shelter.”
who here took a homeless person into their home ahead of the storm?
The people defending the bum are seriously so annoying, but the Twitter army who video'd this guy, identified him, left negative reviews for his business on Yelp, and are making him out to be the bad guy are even more annoying.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills: in what universe is the person who adds nothing to society and lowers quality of life for everyone the good guy, and the tax-paying business owner who's been ignored by the cops and just wants a bum who's loitering in front of his business to leave the bad guy?!
Business owners, home owners etc are getting fed up with the homeless doing what ever they want. Sad to say but actions like this will be happening more and more. Tax payers will reclaim what they have worked hard for.
The type of progressive policies that encourage homeless to come here and camp out is just not working. Still wrong to spray her.
Typical SF, you have people brigading a small business owner , and defending a homeless ladies right to take up public space and leave filth everywhere. This is what you asked for.
And then you wonder why the streets look like a zombie apocalypse with trash and indigent everywhere? Do you actually want to live in a nice place, or not?
Unpopular opinion: I feel like what this guy did was ok given the circumstances of city inaction.
I get he was frustrated but that isn't the way to handle the situation or treat people
Guys it’s time. Let’s cap all government salaries at $150k a year. Then let’s use the excess money to buy a bunch of boats. Then we hire the homeless to enlist in the homeless coast guard. What is there job? Clean the great pacific garbage patch.
I walk by her daily because shes near my office. It is a sad sight to see. Im glad shes finally getting the attention she needs.
What kinda of dystopian nightmare do we live in here?! He did everything he could to have her removed by the fucked up ca book! multiple attempts from crisis response to get her services she refused, multiple calls to police. Literally nothing was done. Tell me what logic you are using to justify her right to be a public nuisance safety hazard and this man just has to “deal with it “ fuck that. Imagine this disgusting person on your side walk in front of your house. People are SICK of this disgusting shit. I have no empathy left for people who outright refuse services. Downvoted me I truly don’t care
The mental ill and drug-addicted need to be made to take services offered by the city to help since they're obviously in no condition to help themselves. Spraying someone with a hose isn't right but the really inhumane thing to do is to just leave these people to their own devices.
Just want to use this opportunity to say - How anyone can look at the ridiculous homeless problem and not conclude that there is something deeply, deeply, structurally wrong with our society is mind boggling. To me, I see it as the natural endpoint of unfettered capitalism.
ACLU, 9th circuit, and Coalition of Homeless have completely destroyed all west coast cities
Can someone point me to a general history of homelessness in SF? How does it compare with policies in other big cities like NYC and LA?
I don't care about backlash this dude is a dick! That is straight up assault! Fuck him I hope he gets arrested and looses his business for this. Who gives a fuck if she is homeless first and foremost she is human and we don't treat anyone like this.
I’m pretty sure the homeless guy in my neighborhood is going to his ass kicked in by a neighbor. Doesn’t leave, gets high, goes on a rampage and the straw that broke the camel’s back is he tried to take a swing at the dude’s kid when he was on his psychotic rampage. Cops and Crisis teams say he’s refused help.
No on who lives in the neighborhood is going to be hurt if the dude’s ass does get kicked in by the neighbor. Welcome to SF I guess.
The public outrage surrounding this incident is very interesting to me. Homeless people have been targeted for a very long time by very evil people. They’re physically attacked in their sleep, their tents are set on fire, & are just generally in harms way everyday. It’s very upsetting, and I’ve wondered why (seemingly) so suddenly there’s a lot of people upset about something like this. I think it’s because there’s a face to attach to the indecency this time around.
Reaction was not right but homelessness in SF is not getting any better. At this point it's clear that whatever the city is funding is not working.
What a waste of water! Is there something that sprays a stream of heat?
I understand why this sub is reacting the way that it is, but I hope everyone here knows how this comes across to anyone who doesn’t live in the Bay Area. To a lot of people in the country, they just see this as a pure distillation of the coastal elites treating everyone else like shit. This is going to be used in some politician’s campaign video to rally the right, I’m sure of it.
This guy will be cancelled and charged with a crime. The left won’t be happy until it all burns down and everyone is “equal”
Oh boy. Here come all the really brave and cool Travis Bickle commenters.
I'll get downvoted for this I'm sure but I think part of being an adult member of society is not spraying vulnerable people with a hose like they're an animal. The city might have failed this man but this was not the mature option to take.
This guy is a huge asshole and no matter how frustrating it is to encounter persistent homelessness, I could never imagine actually spraying another human with a hose like that.
I'm curious though, given that there were many attempts to get the city to intervene here, what appropriate action can a business owner or resident take to discourage a homeless person from blocking their entry or similar? Yes we need a systemic solution (mostly related to housing provision), but in the immediate term, what SHOULD you do if someone is sleeping in your doorway? Pay them to leave?