$20,000 trash cans. No kidding. S.F. looks to roll out prototypes on street corners

The city will pay for the prototypes out of budget funds placed on reserve, but new mass-produced cans, which should be cheaper, would be paid for by trash rates. In 2018, the city decided to work with a contractor on a new custom designed trash...

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FtheIneffable
FtheIneffable
40 · 4 days ago · Reddit

What. a. joke….I work in manufacturing. This should cost a couple thousand per can for prototypes assuming a mild steel is used with a powder coat or other coating.. even if it’s designed with some intricacies so it looks aesthetic. You only need one designer who would solicit feedback from the community to improve the base design. Could also add a feature on the can intended for community members to add artwork after installation.

refurb
refurb
38 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Remember this the next time you vote for a tax increase or bond measure.

The problem isn’t “we need more money”.

absfca
absfca
23 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Haney questioned why the city decided to design its own bins when it could have used a model from another city. Public Works staff said existing models are sometimes too wide for San Francisco’s narrow sidewalks or have openings so large people can reach into them. But the city will also try out existing trash can models, which will cost between $3,000 to $5,000 per bin, in the pilot to see how they work.

Wouldn't the most sensible and prudent path be to start by trying out the $3000-5000 models that already exist and meet criteria (not too big, not easy to remove trash from) and if those don't end up meeting the needs, then getting a custom design based on why the existing models didn't work out? Or, ask the manufacturer of the existing model to modify their design to address issues found? Immediately jumping to design an expensive new garbage can seems like history might be repeating itself at SFDPW.

Belgand
Belgand
20 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Almost all of these seem like bad designs as well with some really clear and obvious flaws.

Designs are up on the public works website.

The "salt and pepper" one is just a visual refresh of the existing poor design. In particular you're going to see people having trouble cramming things down into it due to the awkward top recycling section. Which people also won't use, given the current designs. The easily-accessible recycling area is also too easy to just reach into. We'll see trash and damaged cans everywhere.

The "Slim Silhouette" design is just too small. It's going to overflow almost immediately. It also creates the problem of having a small opening. People will miss it constantly and not care. Or they'll cram things in that don't fit, causing more damage and spillage.

"Soft square" is the closest to a reasonable design, but the larger number of moving parts are going to be a problem. Nobody will use the foot pedal first, they'll use the big, obvious handle, and I predict it's the first thing that will break. The need to open it will reduce usage. People are almost unimaginably lazy, any extra step will mean they just throw things on the ground, probably nearby. We'll also see them get wedged open by shoving oversized items in. Having the recycling on the back as a small hole will make it unlikely that people will notice or use it, make it difficult to insert items, and still be fairly easy for people to scavenge from it.

This feels like yet another design where they talked to industrial designers first while ignoring practical usage and how people are going to intentionally try to cause problems. And, if we're just talking about aesthetics? They're pretty ugly. The design on these is so painfully "right now" that they already look dated.

jsx8888
jsx8888
16 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Haha fucking classic. But can’t wait for all the everything is fine just need to spend more money folks to show up and defend this fleecing of citizens.

salondesert
salondesert
14 · 4 days ago · Reddit

I can get you a trash bin for like $500

I know a guy

artwonk
artwonk
11 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Will there be a betting pool where people can wager on how long it takes for them all to be stolen?

hokeyphenokey
hokeyphenokey
9 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Whats wrong with the old garbage cans?

They're fine. Just put more and do daily cleaning.

junkmai1er
junkmai1er
9 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Did Mohammed Nuru sign this contract just before he resigned.

fazalmajid
fazalmajid
8 · 4 days ago · Reddit

A few years ago some Business Improvement Districts started to introduce the "Big Belly" trash cans. Those are solar-powered and will compact the trash to reduce the frequency of pickups, but are very expensive and the company will only lease them, not sell them. A supervisor asked Nuru why SF couldn't get them and he told her as much (of course, the reason must have been that they were not willing to give him kickbacks). Presumably this project came out of that request.

The obvious solution would be to license a design from a similarly dense city like New York, or ranging more widely Paris or London.

Paris' are designed to show the contents because in the 1990s Algerian terrorists started putting bombs in trash cans, but they may not be resistant enough to the pathologies of SF homeless including them rummaging for cans to resell. I'm sure blocking access is part of the design brief.

yoshimipinkrobot
yoshimipinkrobot
5 · 4 days ago · Reddit

Let’s buy off the shelf trash cans with a boring design so we can easily replace them

scorpio05foru
scorpio05foru
5 · 4 days ago · Reddit

That’s how SF and California has been doing corruption for years! How easily people forgot the $5000 a month tent they just rented