Doug Ford’s government says building Highway 413 will get us out of gridlock. Its own research suggests that isn’t true

‘Induced demand’ has shown repeatedly that building more highways only increases the amount of congestion down the road.

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notmoffat
notmoffat
550 · 3 days ago · Reddit

In Caledon, the 3 councillors that are pushing from this each come from farming families that own thousands of acres abutting the proposed 413.

So far, 2 of their families have already sold over 120 million dollars worth of property to devolpers.

The fact that there isnt an arms legth decsion being made at the municiple level is mind boggling.

codydodd
codydodd
297 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Me thinks Dougie has more developer friends awaiting this highway, because it isnt being built with evidence guiding it.

RayTheSlayer
RayTheSlayer
180 · 3 days ago · Reddit

I remember watching a video about a US city expanding its highway by a few more lanes and the traffic just increased to match the number of lanes. If he really want to solve gridlock he need to improve on public transit so there would be less cars in general

SkullRunner
SkullRunner
165 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Adding more lanes that all dump in to the same choke points we currently have... yep... that will solve everything...

LZBUM
LZBUM
84 · 3 days ago · Reddit

While the government hasn’t detailed costing, one estimate puts the two projects’ combined price tag at more than $10 billion.

Ford’s government predicts that by 2041, Highway 413 would save drivers 30 minutes each way on a 56-kilometre trip between Highway 401 at Trafalgar Road and Highway 400 at King Road, compared to how long the trip would take via Highways 400 and 401.

The government hasn’t released detailed modelling to support the 30-minute figure. But a spokesperson for Transportation Minister Caroline Mulroney said the numbers are based on calculations that show if the 413 isn’t built, peak-hour operating speeds on the 400 and 401 will drop to 35 km/​h by 2041, and a trip between King and Trafalgar will take 89 minutes.

The trip on Highway 413 would be faster, at 59 minutes. But even by the government’s estimates the new roadway would hardly be congestion-free. By 2041, at its busiest times the 413 would have an average travel speed of 55 km/​h.

Asked whether the government’s estimates take into account induced demand, Jordanna Colwill, the minister’s spokesperson, said they capture “demand that would shift to the new highways from other modes or other adjacent roads.”

That’s different from factoring in induced demand, under which the new highway would be expected to increase the overall number of cars on the network, not just draw them from other roadways.

chanield
chanield
63 · 3 days ago · Reddit

How about we use that 10 billion and buy back the 407 and make it non-toll again? Seems like efforts should be made there. Given how Ford rams legislation through with the non-withstanding clause, I’m sure he could find a way to take back 407.

Oh wait, that doesn’t help his re-election campaign or his private developer buddies. How silly of me!

CYAXARES_II
CYAXARES_II
62 · 3 days ago · Reddit

How about use that $10 billion to build high speed rail from Toronto to Montreal? Or add another subway line to the TTC? Building another highway in a time of accelerating climate change and unaffordability is not only anti-working class but anti-earth and by extension anti-human.

Government investments in infrastructure should be to help transition the public away from the usage of wasteful and harmful personal vehicles towards more efficient, cleaner and equitable options.

MarkTwainsGhost
MarkTwainsGhost
43 · 3 days ago · Reddit

"Adding more roads to solve traffic congestion is like loosening your belt to cure obesity." -Janette Sadik-Khan, Street Fight

JackRusselTerrorist
JackRusselTerrorist
41 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Remember when conservatives were upset about a 600M price tag for the election? But a useless $10 billion highway (that will likely run up double that for Dougie’s friends) is fine? lol

Lori Ann Dale
Lori Ann Dale
12 · 3 days ago · Twitter

How about more work from home incentives for employers and employees? Some professions simply do not need to drive in to an office to sit at a desk, and contribute to the gridlock.

Syscrush
Syscrush
13 · 3 days ago · Reddit

My dad remembers his dad being really excited about the then-new 401. He said "The great thing about it is that you'll be able to drive past without ever having to go anywhere near Toronto traffic!"

Simon O'Neill
Simon O'Neill
10 · 3 days ago · Twitter

This is a basic failure of logic. It will be a phenomenal waste of money and incredibly harmful to the environment.

in4real
in4real
11 · 3 days ago · Reddit

It's disappointing to see more farm land paved over for no good reason.

1973mojo1973
1973mojo1973
11 · 3 days ago · Reddit

No shit lol. Did anyone doubt that the 413 is a ploy to destroy the greenbelt and open up protected lands for his construction buddies? If you did, it's not Fuck Ford's fault, it's yours for being too dumb.

That’s Dr. Truthisjustice, to you.
That’s Dr. Truthisjustice, to you.
9 · 3 days ago · Twitter

Paving over farms and forests to build two highways no one asked for, that most Ontarians will never use.

Counting the days until June 2.

wylee_one
wylee_one
10 · 3 days ago · Reddit

I am waiting for the announcement that west of the 400 it will be a tolled highway just not quite as bad as the 407. This is some of the greasiest political BS since the 407 deal.

Smile & Nod Politely
Smile & Nod Politely
9 · 3 days ago · Twitter

Doug Ford says a lot of things that aren't true and that he knows aren't true. There's probably a word for that.

JDumes
JDumes
9 · 3 days ago · Twitter

People figured out that highways cause more congestion in the 50s and yet we are still having this discussion.

ChocoMilkMurderer
ChocoMilkMurderer
7 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Read My Lip. NO. NEW. HIGHWAYS.

Can we get high speed trains first, or any other option, and get cars off the road.

winter_Inquisition
winter_Inquisition
7 · 3 days ago · Reddit

The Fat Fuck is just trying to push this through before the election. He knows the next government will cancel it, they'll have to pay out penalties, and he'll receive kickback when he's not in office.

mister_ghost
mister_ghost
6 · 2 days ago · Reddit

Isn't that kind of okay, though? If it increases capacity, even if the traffic doesn't speed up at all, that's still more people reaching their destination every hour.

The purpose of a system of roads is to get people from point A to point B, not to be mostly empty.

The Quiet One
The Quiet One
5 · 3 days ago · Twitter

Is politics co-opted by wealthy people abusing the system to amass personal wealth?

jfl_cmmnts
jfl_cmmnts
6 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Well it's not like he works for the taxpayers, he works for the guys that get the benefits of tax dollars. This highway will give them BILLIONS of dollars, of course it must go ahead!

Private_HughMan
Private_HughMan
5 · 2 days ago · Reddit

Wanna know what'll solve gridlock? Mass transit and nothing else.

gigawatt
gigawatt
4 · 3 days ago · Twitter

I think what he means is that it will make his buddies rich!

Kelly Fairchild
Kelly Fairchild
4 · 3 days ago · Twitter

Doug Ford is an idiot. That is undeniable. He will make whatever decision is best for himself and fuck everyone else. He would burn this province to the ground if it would line his pockets.

#onpoli #VoteFordOut2022 #FordTheFraud #FordfailedOntario

nowontletu66
nowontletu66
5 · 2 days ago · Reddit

Another lane will fix it

Another lane will fix it

Another lane will fix it

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Another lane will fix it

Another lane will fix it

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UnluckySwimming9851
UnluckySwimming9851
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

No, it's way to pay him self & his buddy's.

stellamac10
stellamac10
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Can you trust a government (or electorate) that doesn't understand induced demand?

jayleehim
jayleehim
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

What if we just built better cities? What if we got people out of cars and onto public transit, bikes, or WALKING.

64Olds
64Olds
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Doug Ford's government says...

That's enough to tell you that the truth is the complete opposite.

whatistheQuestion
whatistheQuestion
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Coming from the guy who was gifted a label company and couldn't keep stickers from peeling or license plates legible I'm not surprised in the slightest

eledad1
eledad1
5 · 3 days ago · Reddit

Think he was talking about the gridlock in negotiations for his kickbacks $$$. This will definitely lift those gridlocks folks.